Sunday, 3 May 2009

Nazi UFOs: Not Just In Antarctica

The Nazis; don't you wish they'd just die already? If it's not bad enough having to sit through years of Nazi history levels, hearing about their bombing raids and V weapons from my great aunt and being forced to endure a never ending series of rubbish movies about them, we also have to deal with a multitude of conspiracy theories about them: did their leaders escape to South America/Antarctica/the Moon (some did make it out but not as far as the Moon me thinks)? Did they really kill so many Jews (YES, and they weren't even content just with the Jews, they took out millions of other people from many different groups while they were at it)? And did they create and use flying saucers during (and perhaps after) the Third Reich?

In the 30th of March 1950 edition of "Der Spiegel" an interesting interview was featured supplementary to a story regarding the ongoing mystery of sightings of flying saucers. The interview was with Rudolph Schriever who claimed to have been part of a team who was developing blueprints for a rotor powered flying saucer during the later stages of the Second World War.

Der Spiegel mock up of supposed flying saucer

It operated by means of rotors moving around the sides of the cockpit, rather than above like in a helicopter, and was being designed to travel at supersonic speeds.

Artists impression

If you forget it was being designed by an evil empire then it's actually a rather cool concept, but even "Captain" Schriever was clear that it had never gotten beyond the research stage.

Whilst Major Rudolf Lusar devoted little space in his book German Secret Weapons of the Second World War to flying saucers he seems to suggest something more:

Flying saucers have been whirling round the world since 1947, suddenly turning up here and there, soaring in and darting off again at unprecedented speed with flames encircling the rim of the saucer's disc. They have been located by radar, pursued by fighters and yet nobody has so far succeeded in establishing the existence of such a 'flying saucer' or managed to ram or shoot one down. The public, even the experts, are perplexed by an ostensible mystery or a technical miracle. But slowly the truth is coming out that even during the war German research workers and scientists made the first moves in the direction of these ''flying saucers''. They built and tested such near-miraculous contraptions. Experts and collaborators in this work confirm that the first projects, called "flying discs", were undertaken in 1941. The designs for these ''flying discs'' were drawn up by the German experts Schriever, Habermohl and Miethe, and the Italian Bellonzo. Habernohl and Schriever chose a wide-surface ring which rotated round a fixed, cupola-shaped cockpit. The ring consisted of adjustable wing-discs which could be brought into appropriate position for the take-off' or horizontal flight. respectively. Miethe developed a discus-shaped plate of a diameter of 42m in which adjustable jets were inserted. Schriever and Habermohl, who worked in Prague, took off with the first "flying disc'' on February 14, 1945. Within three minutes they climbed to an altitude of I2,400m and reached a speed of 2,000 km/h in horizontal flight (!) It was intended ultimately to achieve speeds of 4,000 km/h.

Unsurprisingly it seems Major Lusar was being somewhat loose with the truth and drew on several different Nazi UFO news stories to get his information. Check out this page for extensive info on the different articles and Major Lusar's full copy on flying saucers. However the influence of his book, and of the articles from the '50s that inspired his writing, on the subject of Nazi UFOs has become so embedded most sites seem to take them at face value. Take a look at this site for some sceptical views and remember there is no physical evidence to support this programme which some have dubbed the "V-7". Which means now I've got to go and find out what the V4, the V5 and the V6 supposedly were. Darn it.

Well the concept of the V-7 is a lot saner than some of the other gumph out there. Some believer that the Nazi's were helped by extraterrestrials. One statistic that kept being mentioned in a recent "UFO Hunters" episode was that the Germans were "25 years ahead in terms of science and technology" as opposed to the rest of the planet. Have you ever heard such painfully idiotic and naive comments? So they were 25 years ahead of us in terms of what exactly? What did they have that without their help we wouldn't have got until 1970? And if they were why the hell didn't they win? I cannot bring myself to go into the details today, I'll save it for another day when I able to put up with historical inaccuracy and lack of even a pretense of being bothered about evidence. Can you tell UFO Hunters rubs me up the wrong way? Do they not understand that their constantly biased approach to evidence gathering is totally off putting to any sane lay person tuning in? Are they in fact a secret Government conspiracy to persuade us that all Ufologists are in fact narcissistic loons? If so, it's working.

My great aunt once saw a V-2 strike the house across the allotments from the house she still lives in. Sort of moment in time that lives with you especially as she knew the people who died very well. If I were to ask her whether the Nazi's would have hesitated to use any new alien tech to conquer their enemies I think I already know her answer. But anyway more of that when we return to this subject some other time.

Further Reading

"German Secret Weapons of the Second World War" - Rudolf Lusar (UK Amazon, US Amazon)

Nazi International: The Nazis' Postwar Plan to Control Finance, Conflict, Physics and Space - Joesph P. Farrell (UK Amazon, US Amazon)

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